[Wonemevas]

Hi all. Thanks for taking the time to read my post. I have gone through a ton of forum posts on transmission issues and haven’t seem to find the one that matches my current issues. I have a 2015 Chrysler 200S AWD V6 3.6L with the 9 speed and paddle shifters. Also have the knob style shifter. Really no issues until now.
The other day I was driving around town stopping at different locations for random errands. When I went to leave one store I started my car and got a ton of errors immediately flashing on the screen (service transmission, service parking brake, performance shifting unavailable…) and had a CEL and the P warning lit up. When I tried to shift the knob wouldn’t turn or shift out of park and when it would move it jumped to S mode but even there it wouldn’t move. Tried restarting, letting it sit and disconnecting the battery but still the same issue. I let it sit for about 30-40mins and tried again this time it would shift into fear fine. CEL was still on. Got it home and shut the car off and started it again and the same issue was there with all the warnings. Ran my little scanner and got a code from ECU2 of P0810 clutch position sensor.
I let it sit for a day and today went out and it started and shifted into gear fine. Drove it around for about 2 hours with no issues then when I got home I shut it down for about 10 mins and when I started it was the same issue. Let it sit for about 3 hours and again it shifted into gear.
Obviously something is not right, but wanted to see if anyone on here had the same or similar issues and what they did to resolve it.
Thanks again for the help!

 

[200_S_AWD]

Welcome to the forums. This car just might need module updates. Some of these may have already been done.
I looked up the P0810 fault code. It does not apply to this car. It would only be for cars with manual transaxles.
The PCM and TCM may be covered under a warranty. Ask for all module updates. It may drive like a different car when completed.

For the shifter (ESM):

08-082-14 Chrysler Technical Service Bulletin

08-082-14 Chrysler Technical Service Bulletin

www.tsbsearch.com

For the parking brake (EPB):

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2016/MC-10140159-9999.pdf

For the HVAC:

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2016/MC-10141297-9999.pdf

For the PCM:

Flash: Diagnostic And System Improvements – 2015 Chrysler 200 – FCA

chrysler.oemdtc.com

For the TCM:

https://testing-public.carmd.com/Tsb/Download/130002/00000000c0f09387

Also perform a Quicklearn and PROXI:

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2016/SB-10074980-5290.pdf

Fixing hard shifts with the missing PROXI

Some readers have reported rough shifting after work was done on their car. This may not be a bad transmission, but a missed step in the repair: skipping the “PROXI alignment,” which updates information in all the car’s systems. Matthew Libanio, for example, had his TCM (transmission control...

www.allpar.com

For the AWD (DTCM and PTU):

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2016/SB-10074976-5290.pdf

For the radio:

https://www.wk2jeeps.com/tsb/tsb_wk2_0804518a.pdf

 

[Daves200s]

One thing that can cause you numerous error codes on the 2015~ Chrysler 200 cars is an original OEM battery or OEM replacement... They are DOGS... The numerous microcontrollers (computers) demand a stable 12v (actually higher) power supply... These batteries can not deliver this and even a small glitch from the battery can confuse the electronics... If you haven't replaced the original OEM battery you should...
Dave

 

[Wonemevas]

Thank you 200_S_AWD and Daves200s. I took my car to a friend's shop to look at it and referenced this thread and after scanning the car it does have an original battery which is about half the power that the car should have and it was causing inconsistent voltage which was causing different computer modules to randomly shut off and on and got out of whack. Seems like the fix is a properly sized battery and re-programming the modules so that everything is back in sync. Thanks for the words of wisdom. I will reply once the car issues are resolved and provide a full detail on what was fixed and how well it worked for anyone else who is seeing the same issues with their 200!

 

[kkingu]

Chrysler 200 9-speed transmission park override location - YouTube

If a code P0810 is stored in a vehicle with an automatic transmission, suspect PCM/TCM failure or a programming error
Above statement from link below
P0810 Clutch Position Control Error (obd-codes.com)

Hope this helps, I have 2013 but never had this problem.

 

[200_S_AWD]

From the link:
"This code is applicable to vehicles with manual transmissions only."

Read more at: P0810 Clutch Position Control Error

If the OP does in fact have a fault code of P0810, I would blame the generic OBD2 code reader or a typo.
This P0810 fault code does not show up as a possibility in the service manual list of possible fault codes.

 

[Wonemevas]

Update on this. Got the car back after putting in a new battery (properly sized) and had all the modules re-synced. Car drove fine for two days and then today the same thing happened. Tried restarting a ton of times and disconnecting the battery for 15 minutes, but that did not seem to work. Was able to ground the positive and negative cables from the battery (after disconnected) and left on for about 2-3 mins. Connected it back up to the battery and it was able to shift out of park enough to drive it to the shop again. CEL back on I’m guessing the same P0810 code but I didn’t have my scanner. I do believe it could be a generic code related to something else. When it was at the shop the CEL had turned off itself so hopefully with it still being on there can be some more info.

 

[200_S_AWD]

The CEL can extinguish when the code is no longer 'active', but the code and the related 'freezeframe' data will still be retained in memory for the tech.
By 'resynched', do you mean PROXI or did they perform the ESM update per the bulletin?
Again, a P0810 is not possible for this car. It ls not listed in the service manual section of possible fault codes. The list of valid ESM codes:

• P0607-00-ECU INTERNAL PERFORMANCE
• P0705-00-TRANSMISSION RANGE SENSOR 1 CIRCUIT PRNDL INPUT
• P0814-00-TRANSMISSION RANGE DISPLAY CIRCUIT
• P0919-00-GEAR SHIFT POSITION CONTROL ERROR
• P0928-00-BTSI CONTROL
• P1C8B-16-BATTERY VOLTAGE - CIRCUIT VOLTAGE BELOW THRESHOLD
• P1C8B-17-BATTERY VOLTAGE - CIRCUIT VOLTAGE ABOVE THRESHOLD
• U0002-88-CAN C BUS OFF PERFORMANCE
• U0074-00-DEDICATED POWERTRAIN (DPT) CAN BUS OFF
• U0100-00-LOST COMMUNICATION WITH ECM/PCM
• U0101-08-LOST COMMUNICATION WITH TCM BUS SIGNAL - MESSAGE FAILURES
• U0140-08-LOST COMMUNICATION WITH BODY CONTROL MODULEBUS SIGNAL - MESSAGE FAILURES
• U0402-00-IMPLAUSIBLE DATA RECEIVED FROM TCM
• U1175-00-LOST IGNITION STATUS MESSAGE
• U11C3-00-ESM LOST COMMUNICATION WITH TCM ON DPT CAN
• U145D-00-IMPLAUSIBLE DATA RECEIVED FROM TCM ON DPT

The ESM may not be OBD2 (non-emissions), so your reader may be telling us a fib.
The dealer may be the only shop that can perform this TSB:
08-082-14 Chrysler Technical Service Bulletin

 

[Wonemevas]

So I am being told that all the signs are pointing to a bad dog clutch that is triggering the error and causing the car to not have the ability to shift out of gear. Not sure if it could still be an issue with the ESM and various modules. Anyone ever get a similar symptom? I am torn as I don’t want to make a mistake and do a ton of expensive transmission work if there is any possibility that it could still be a module or something that is an easier fix. Thanks again everyone.

 

[200_S_AWD]

I need a valid fault code(s) to work with. Did the shop get any?
I would doubt it is an internal transaxle issue, but that is remotely possible.
It sounds more like a guess.
If it lights the CEL, there is a code(s) stored in the PCM/TCM or ESM. We need them.
P0810 is not in the list of possible codes. Try using a different reader or scan tool.

 

[Wonemevas]

Just reached out and got the following info for the codes. It was firing the following: U0402, U0415, U0420, C2129-13 as well as still showing the P0810.

 

[200_S_AWD]

A lot of data makes no sense on the CAN communications bus. I was thinking along the lines of 'loss of communication' between the modules. It may be a wiring or connector problem.
2 of the codes are concerning the electric power steering (EPS) system: Invalid data and battery power open.
Was this car involved in recall S55 (transaxle wiring rub-through) at all? Was it built before 10/31/2014? Did you buy this car used or know any of its past history?
I attached the recall letter and 2 STAR bulletins on possible wiring harness rub-through.
This may all be from something relatively simple. Look into the cheap, simple things first.
A ' bad dog clutch' would be a mechanical fault and not throw these comm codes, I suspect a wiring issue.

 

[Wonemevas]

Looks like I am going to be taking my car to the dealership so it’s diagnosed through a certified Chrysler dealership for even more money. I had a horrible time fighting with Chrysler as they were very short with me and not very helpful. I was told that there were no outstanding recalls on the vehicle which I already was aware of, but one rep told me there was an open recall for the 9 speed transmission - only to find out it was the extended warranty and it expired 11/29/2020. When I purchased the car I did everything I was aware of to register with Mopar and the Chrysler website to update my account and the car’s information. I found out after contacting them about this issue that they never had my records updated to show ownership of the car and in fact never got any information since I purchased the car about safety recalls, extended warranties or anything that could impact the safety of my family, other drivers or myself. So far I am very displeased with Chrysler overall and their lack of concern for their customers.
I did speak to the dealership and they agreed it may be a module programming issue which could fire incorrect codes or info related to a bad dog clutch, but they won’t know until they are able to look at it. Transaxle wiring harness recall S55 was previously performed and with trying to solve this car riddle they were inspected and seem to be fine.
I will update the post with more information once I receive a better viewpoint from the dealer perspective. Can’t wait for this bill. My apologies for the venting I just want to document my experience for anyone else going through similar issues.

 

[Wonemevas]

Just wanted to provide another update on this. Took the car to my local Chrysler dealership (I have had a lot of luck with them in the past) and they said that when they did an initial scan the TCM and PCM did need major updates. They said they were severe and did both updates (only charged me an hour of labor). They drove it all day yesterday and all day today as well and said while monitoring it all of the modules were staying synced and they did not receive any more transmission codes or CEL and got no other codes triggered as well. They gave me the green light to bring it home and said to just keep them posted if it happens again. I will say from the little I was able to drive it since getting it back this evening it seems to run a lot smoother now and shifts tighter. Hopefully that fixes the issue. I will update if anything changes, but for now I’m keeping my fingers crossed that the issue was the module updates. Thank you again everyone for the help. I hope this can help anyone else going through similar issues.

 

[Wonemevas]

Sadly another update. The updates to the TCM and PCM did not resolve the issue. Same thing keeps happening.

 

[200_S_AWD]

Did they diagnose it as needing the PCM/TCM update to solve the problem?
Did they witness the shifter problem?
Have they updated the ESM (electronic shift module) if it is eligible for it? (early 2015's):

08-082-14 Chrysler Technical Service Bulletin

Ask them to waive any 2nd diagnostic fee as you have already paid your price of admission and have them take another look.

 

[Wonemevas]

I do not believe they witnessed the issue occurring as it was not happening when I took it to them and they did about 60 miles of driving and could not make it happen. I provided them with a video of the issue happening, all of the error codes I had from the previous shop and all of the work done to it thus far as well as the information from this forum. They said it needed major updates to the TCM and PCM but did not mention anything about the ESM (which I was just reading about in a different forum thread). I also read a similar post where it seems to happen when the car is warmed up and it’s very hot out. Since getting it back I drove it for at least 200 miles with no issues and it was driving better than before. Same thing happened as last time, I was leaving a store and it wouldn’t shift out of park. Tried disconnecting the battery but no luck. It seems just letting it sit for 20-30 mins allowed it to drive again. Not sure if it’s a heat issue or not.

 

[200_S_AWD]

Mention to them that it seems to happen when warm. If they can witness the failure, they have a better chance of finding the problem.
Share the STAR attachment info in post # 12. There may be a power steering/TCM/ABS harness rub-through or connector problem causing the 'loss of communication'?

 

[Wonemevas]

Wanted to post another update since it has been a while, but have new information. It seems that after taking it to the Chrysler dealer and receiving the P0810 clutch position sensor error they said that Chrysler told them it could be two possible issues, but both were inside the trans and they are not allowed to touch that so the recommendation was replace the entire trans. After many conversations with Chrysler and some issues that they did not provide me with information that they extended the power train warranty they worked with me to replace the transmission. Took about two to three weeks to get it in, but they replaced it and after about almost two months I finally have the car back as of yesterday. So far so good, but time will tell. Hopefully this is the end all fix for anyone experiencing similar issues.

 

[Harley guy]

Wanted to post another update since it has been a while, but have new information. It seems that after taking it to the Chrysler dealer and receiving the P0810 clutch position sensor error they said that Chrysler told them it could be two possible issues, but both were inside the trans and they are not allowed to touch that so the recommendation was replace the entire trans. After many conversations with Chrysler and some issues that they did not provide me with information that they extended the power train warranty they worked with me to replace the transmission. Took about two to three weeks to get it in, but they replaced it and after about almost two months I finally have the car back as of yesterday. So far so good, but time will tell. Hopefully this is the end all fix for anyone experiencing similar issues.

I have a 15 S 3.6 that year tranny is junk had mine replaced under warranty at 96000 MI 121000 MI and running great.