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Howdy!
First timer here, so please let me know if I should post this under a different thread! It's a 2015 Chrysler 200C (sticker).

I got this error code and I would like to ask for help/suggestions/past experiences. Dealer can't see me for at least a month but were nice enough to give me a code! I did some search in our forums, and surprisingly no one has posted about this before!
  • P0919-00-GEAR SHIFT POSITION CONTROL ERROR
...but the sequence of events that led to this was rather a common transmission problem reported here. After starting, Car won't shift from Parking to Drive mode, and displays errors like "service transmission", "performance shifting unavailable" on the screen.

After restarting 3-4 times, the error goes away, and CEL also disappears after couple days.

Even after doing all the recalls, and software updates of PCM/TCM (in 2019), I continue to have transmission issues with my 200C. Is there a way to permanently fix it? how many hours of labor could they require?

Thanks in advance.
 

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Welcome to the forums. If the PCM and TCM were updated in 2019, you should have the latest and greatest software versions present.

The P0919 is in the ESM (electronic shift module) located in the forward center console. Do all the yellow shift position LEDs light up (PRNDS)? Any liquid spills at or near the shift knob?
There was an update bulletin for the ESM on cars built before 08-27-1014, but it doesn't mention P0919:


If you are still having harsh shifts, get the ESM repaired first.
Have the shop perform a Quicklearn and PROXI alignment before releasing the car back to you:

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The ESM (shift knob) is a separate module that commands the TCM (transaxle control module) over the communications bus. Worst case scenario would be an ESM replacement. Any extended warranty or service contracts?

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Don't forget that a bad battery can and does cause strange problems and codes...
The original batteries were junk and very problematic...
 

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Welcome to the forums. If the PCM and TCM were updated in 2019, you should have the latest and greatest software versions present.
Thanks so much for your detailed answer, and sharing your insights. I have gone through some of your answers here and you are just awesome!

I am glad the TCM and PCM are up to date. I pulled up that 2019 service receipt (screenshot below) and it says TCB 21-001-18 was done, but not no PROXY was done!!!

By reading the article from the link you sent, I am seeing that PROXY is very important and can lead to harsh shifts so I will make sure I ask that to be done in my next appointment.

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Do all the yellow shift position LEDs light up (PRNDS)? Any liquid spills at or near the shift knob?
Yes right now it is starting okay, and I can shift the dial to all gear positions and it lights up as expected.

There was no liquid spills I am aware of, but I do use a cleaning solution / spray to gently dust off my car including the console, I am hoping this is not a likely cause, or could it be?

The ESM (shift knob) is a separate module that commands the TCM (transaxle control module) over the communications bus. Worst case scenario would be an ESM replacement.
Thank you, I didn't know much about the different modules but your answer, and others are definitely educating me and better understand my 200. Hopefully there are no spills inside and no major replacements are needed for this.

Any extended warranty or service contracts?
Biggest mistake? I didn't get one. The dealership sold me a 10 year maintenance plan for $3k that didn't help me much except getting free oil changes. An extended warranty would have been way more useful looking back, so will be sure to get that next time I buy a car!

Who needs a plan for oil change, that too for $3000. I will just get one of those mopar coupons or go to jiffy lube or a neighborhood auto shop.
 

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Don't forget that a bad battery can and does cause strange problems and codes...
The original batteries were junk and very problematic...
That is so true, is there an easy way to test if my battery has problems? It is fairly new, less than 6 months old. The battery indicator in information display stays stable at around 13.5v.

A while back, I wasted around $500 trying to figure out what's going on with my information display needles dancing around like a bellagio fountain.
Technician at dealership spent an hour seeing the many pages of error codes and determined a new battery was needed. All the car had to say was two words, "change battery".

Adding fuel to the fire was the AAA's so called "Battery specialist". He made a visit to my apartment prior to my dealership visit, ran his 30 year old equipment for a while and said "everything's good, No problems found with the batteries".

Then I had the vehicle towed to dealership, and they determined it is indeed the battery.

A good friend of mine asked me, "How old is the vehicle?". I said "3 years in". He said "just change the battery, don't even worry about testing it", and he was so right because I paid additional diagnostic fees of $150 just to make sure it is it.
 

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After having the latest TCM update done a couple of years ago, I was still having an occasionally harsh 4-5 upshift. Especially when cresting a hill in a loaded car. BANG! I actually looked in my rear view mirror because I thought that I had been rear-ended.

My PROXI wasn't actually 'missing' and the technician was ready to move on from this step. Instead he turned the PROXI off and then back on, in effect resetting it.
Have them re-visit the Quicklearn after the PROXI.
My car has shifted as smooth as butter ever since.

A service contract is like an insurance policy, sometimes they pay for themselves, sometimes not. Something like a Chrysler Max Care or something. 3rd party or aftermarket service contracts can be 'iffy'.

I don't think that misting with an aerosol cleaner or dusting around the knob would cause issues. A soda or coffee spill might cause problems.

An example:
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The 300 procedure is similar to the 200:

 

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Have them re-visit the Quicklearn after the PROXI.
My car has shifted as smooth as butter ever since.
Thanks for the great insights and sharing your experience. I finally got a appointment by expanding my search with a 25 mile radius, and this dealership in Auburn, WA also had a "Transmission Expert" who only works on this type of problems all day everyday. I was super excited he was going to troubleshoot my 200C and resolve the transmission errors I have been seeing.

Unfortunately nothing happened, and two days later I got the vehicle back in same condition. I paid around $200 after taxes for this diagnostics. Technician said he needs to see the error "right now" to be able to diagnose better, so I had my car there for a couple days and they determined it is "working fine" and advised to "return later when problem happens more frequently".

Here is the work summary/notes from Technician:
65,000 miles. TCM DTC P1D78-00 1.00 1.0 Check engine light on, Witech scan stored DTC's related to implausible data recited from TCM due to stored P1D78-00 for Transmission park lock solenoid. DTC is stored, per diag for stored DTC, inspected connections at TCM and transmission solenoid connector, all ok, no water intrusion or corrosion, performed wiggle test on harness from pdc to tcm and tcm to solenoid connector. all connections ok. concern possibly related to valve body/internal transmission harness, recommend returning when concern is more constant to determine actual failure.

It was disappointing as I had very high hopes of a "smooth as butter" type of riding experience for my 200 but in the end I just need to wait for more errors. Hopefully I will be alive to show them next time because this transmission error can actually bring my vehicle to a complete halt on a freeway, so it's kind of dangerous to take this 200 anywhere beyond a 5-mile radius from home until fully resolved.

I will keep updating this thread as frequently as I can in case other owners end up here from search and looking for answers.
 

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They did not see the P0919-00 (Gear shift position error), but instead see a P1D78-00 (Park solenoid circuit - low)?

A 'stored' code means that the problem happened, but is not currently present. An 'active' code is present in the here and now and it is a good idea to diagnose it while active. It makes it easier to verify the repair when you actually found the culprit.
Somehow I have to think that these 2 codes are related, especially if the same symptoms are being displayed as before. A DTC (diagnostic trouble code) is the same thing as a fault code.

Looking at the diagnostics for P1D78, the problem can only be in 3 possible areas: the transaxle control module (TCM), the transaxle itself or in the wiring between the two.

A 'low' failure is usually a short-to-ground (i.e. - pinched, cut or rubbed-though wire and touching the car body sheetmetal) or somehow the circuit is being pulled down too much by a load. Conversely, a 'high failure tends to be an open (disconnected or broken wire) circuit where there is no load.

Looking at the diagnostics for P0919 (see post # 2), it involves more components, but it shares the TCM and wiring (!) as a possible common denominator. TCMs can fail, but it shouldn't be the first conclusion to reach. A bad TCM is the 'last house on the block' after everything else has been ruled out.
Wiring issues can be stupid sometimes as there has been an R24 and S55 recall for poor or spread connector terminal crimps on the 2015 200. Similar Cherokees and Renegades have also had wiring assembly issues.

Catching the problem in the act is good diagnostics, if conditions allow it. Sometimes you can 'tease' things into failure (like gently wiggling wires or tapping on module housings). It can be frustrating when things don't act up in the shop, the evidence is there (fault codes and environmental data), but one just can't 'prove' it.

I don't want the car to strand you or be a safety risk. You mention that restarting the car 3 or 4 times will allow you to continue driving. This could be an important clue. It certainly sounds like this is caused by an intermittent electrical problem. The problem now is isolating and repairing it.
If it resets the code(s), have the environmental (freeze frame or snapshot) data compared to the previous fault event. If they happened under the same conditions, one may be able to reproduce these conditions.

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So it's been 3 weeks, and I did get a new error code P1629-00 today, but first my apologies for the delay responding to the previous post, and thanks so much for your detailed analysis and appreciate the time you have taken to help me and everyone else here.

A 'stored' code means that the problem happened, but is not currently present.
Ah okay, good to know it stores the code because sometimes you get the CEL on your trip but there are long wait times to get an appointment at dealership, and by the time you go there, the CEL is gone.
Wiring issues can be stupid sometimes as there has been an R24 and S55 recall
Oh yes I did this recall already, 3-4 years ago I think, not sure if wires can get bad again and we re-do the process. From Tech's diagnostic he is claiming it looked
Sometimes you can 'tease' things into failure (like gently wiggling wires
Oh yes the tech does says in his notes that we performed a wiggle test, but claims it was okay ---
performed wiggle test on harness from pdc to tcm and tcm to solenoid connector. all connections ok.

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The problem now is isolating and repairing it.
Yes it is starting to get difficult. Extremely time consuming, and expensive. $150-$200 for the diagnostic, around $100 per day for car rental while waiting. They just say "come back when you see the error again".

Today I got a CEL, and I went to a local auto store as the dealership again didn't have any appointments for a week!

They weren't probably well qualified, they just checked out a few things and said to me, 'everything looks great in your vehicle, may be needs a software update at the dealership' and charged $150 to diagnose. They also reset the error code, but wrote it in the work summary for me, it's P1629-00 TCM INTERNAL SOLENOID SUPPLY. (info)

Now we have 3 different dots to connect, does it ring a bell? All 3 incidents happened 3-4 weeks apart. It does seem like may be an electrical problem as you mentioned. Thanks in advance for sharing any thoughts you have, may be this info helps you further narrow down the root cause. I have nearly given up and considering replacements of the car itself.

Does changing a Valve body (costs $1000?) will resolve the problems with solenoid, and harsh shifts?
 

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Every piece of the puzzle helps. Going through the Possible Causes for all faults helps us see what they might have in common and what components and circuits they may share.
The P0919 stands alone as that Possible Cause is the ESM (electronic shift module - The Knob)

The P1D78 and this new P1629 share solenoid 'shorts/opens' and possible TCM issues.
TCMs can go bad, but wiring issues are much more common. The wiring must be ruled out first as the cause. If nothing is found with the wiring, then we might look at the TCM.

If it is the wiring, the problem is likely visible and measurable. The TCM is in a box with the PCM. You likely won't see anything wrong and it would only be measurable if it decided to have a failure while a technician was present with tools and under the hood at the same time.

If it can be proven to be the PCM/TCM, that has an extended 7 yr/70K mile federal emissions warranty (if that helps).

I'm still leaning towards a wiring issue (likely between the TCM and transaxle) until I know different.
 

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