EGR location 2015 200s 3.6 liter engine

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skutch

Discussion Starter · 24 d ago

Hello, New member here. Could anyone tell me the egr location on a 2015 chrysler 200s with 3.6 engine. i have a bad egr code but can not seem to find its location. is it between the right bank and firewall? thanks for any help.

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200_S_AWD

· #2 · 23 d ago

Welcome to the forum. Your car may not have an EGR valve. What is the code?

Remember, a fault code will never tell you that a part is "bad'', it just tells you the circuit that it's in & what to expect during testing.

skutch

Discussion Starter · #3 · 23 d ago

200_S_AWD said:
Welcome to the forum. Your car may not have an EGR valve. What is the code?

Remember, a fault code will never tell you that a part is "bad'', it just tells you the circuit that it's in & what to expect during testing.

the diagnostic tester i have says it is egr fault. it is a cheaper unit and does not give the number just a red egr symbol. i'm pretty sure it has one because i have been pricing the egr for my specific car on several sites and as i understand it the cooled egr VVT did not come out until 2016 model. thanks for the reply

skutch

Discussion Starter · #4 · 23 d ago

skutch said:
the diagnostic tester i have says it is egr fault. it is a cheaper unit and does not give the number just a red egr symbol. i'm pretty sure it has one because i have been pricing the egr for my specific car on several sites and as i understand it the cooled egr VVT did not come out until 2016 model. thanks for the reply

the car simple failed to start or even fire one day it turns over just fine but does not fire which is also why i think the egr is stuck open or closed. thanks again

200_S_AWD

· #5 · 23 d ago

I doubt this is an EGR-related problem. Even if an EGR is stuck wide-open, the engine should sputter & catch when starting.
The beauty of VVT is it can close the exhaust valves early (variable cam overlap) to leave behind some exhaust gas for the next cycle. An EGR valve may be used on some Grand Cherokee & Ram 3.6L applications, but I don't see one listed for the 200 V6.

The cooled-EGR was a feature of the PUG. The PUG never made it into the 200.

Is the 'ck eng' light on? I would need to know the 'P' code.

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ggoose

· #6 · 23 d ago

Check with your local auto parts stores, some will loan you an OBD reader that will show the actual diagnostic code(s).

skutch

Discussion Starter · #7 · 23 d ago

200_S_AWD said:
I doubt this is an EGR-related problem. Even if an EGR is stuck wide-open, the engine should sputter & catch when starting.
The beauty of VVT is it can close the exhaust valves early (variable cam overlap) to leave behind some exhaust gas for the next cycle. An EGR valve may be used on some Grand Cherokee & Ram 3.6L applications, but I don't see one listed for the 200 V6.

The cooled-EGR was a feature of the PUG. The PUG never made it into the 200.

Is the 'ck eng' light on? I would need to know the 'P' code.
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Hi again. this is the info i'm getting from my diagnostic tool;
No powertrain DTC's stored in vehicle computer
Check engine light is ON
EVA (Evap system) icon is green
CAT (catalyst monitor) icon green
FUE (fuel system monitor) icon is green
CCM ( comprehensive component monitor) icon is green
MIS (misfire monitor) icon is green
O2S (oxygen system monitor) icon is green
HEA (oxygen sensor heater monitor) icon is green
EGR icon is flashing red and says incomplete monitor
I am not getting any number codes with this unit. the unit tells me to run the car for 5 minutes to check all the seperate catagories which i am unable to do as the car wont start. Hope this can help you narrow it down. What would cause EGR red icon since the vehicle does not have one? thanks a lot for your help!!

200_S_AWD

· #8 · 23 d ago

I suspect that is because there is no EGR valve? If you have emissions testing for state inspection, it should pass OBDII requirements without the EGR monitor.
As for the no-start, I would check to make sure that you are getting spark & fuel. Will it fire up briefly if you spritz some carb cleaner or solvent into the throttle body? You may need a helper to watch for spark while you crank it over.

skutch

Discussion Starter · #9 · 23 d ago

200_S_AWD said:
I suspect that is because there is no EGR valve? If you have emissions testing for state inspection, it should pass OBDII requirements without the EGR monitor.
As for the no-start, I would check to make sure that you are getting spark & fuel. Will it fire up briefly if you spritz some carb cleaner or solvent into the throttle body? You may need a helper to watch for spark while you crank it over.

I will try the carb cleaner and keep you posted it may be a couple days before i can get to the store . thanks

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skutch

Discussion Starter · #10 · 20 d ago

skutch said:
I will try the carb cleaner and keep you posted it may be a couple days before i can get to the store . thanks

Hi , The carb cleaner worked and it started right up and shut off after it starved out. The fuel pump fuse is good so it looks like time for a new fuel pump Unless you think there may be something else to check first. thanks

200_S_AWD

· #11 · 20 d ago

Good diagnosis! It may or may not be the fuel pump itself. It could be the wiring to or from the pump.

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skutch

Discussion Starter · #12 · 20 d ago

skutch said:
Hi , The carb cleaner worked and it started right up and shut off after it starved out. The fuel pump fuse is good so it looks like time for a new fuel pump Unless you think there may be something else to check first. thanks

200_S_AWD said:
Good diagnosis! It may or may not be the fuel pump itself. It could be the wiring to or from the pump.
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You read my mind haha, I was gonna ask how to check voltage to the pump . I should get voltage reading at the pump connector with the key in the ON position. correct? thanks

200_S_AWD

· #13 · 20 d ago

It has power for about 1 or 2 seconds when you first enter the run position to prime the system. If the PCM doesn't see the engine rotate, it shuts down the pump for safety.
So a test light should be bright, then off.

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skutch

Discussion Starter · #14 · 20 d ago

200_S_AWD said:
It has power for about 1 or 2 seconds when you first enter the run position to prime the system. If the PCM doesn't see the engine rotate, it shuts down the pump for safety.
So a test light should be bright, then off.

i tried to locate that ground connection you highlighted in the picture is it underneath the tank? or do you access it through the wheel well? thanks again

200_S_AWD

· #15 · 20 d ago

Inside the right side trunk. Behind the trim panel.

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skutch

Discussion Starter · #16 · 20 d ago

skutch said:
i tried to locate that ground connection you highlighted in the picture is it underneath the tank? or do you access it through the wheel well? thanks again

200_S_AWD said:
Inside the right side trunk. Behind the trim panel.
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Oh ok thanks. i tried turning the ignition to run position without brake applied or trying to start and with the back seat out i can hear something running for a couple seconds that i'm assuming is the fuel pump. could it run and still not be supplying fuel or the proper amount-pressure?

200_S_AWD

· #17 · 20 d ago

Yes & the fuel lines may be pressurized, but if the fuel injectors are staying closed (not squirting), you still are not getting fuel.

skutch

Discussion Starter · #18 · 20 d ago

200_S_AWD said:
Yes & the fuel lines may be pressurized, but if the fuel injectors are staying closed (not squirting), you still are not getting fuel.

I see, what do i do to check the injectors?

skutch

Discussion Starter · #19 · 19 d ago

skutch said:
I see, what do i do to check the injectors?

Are you meaning the pump may be working but not making enough pressure to actuate the injectors. sorry for all the questions, I am an old school guy. I appreciate the time you are spending to help me

200_S_AWD

· #20 · 19 d ago

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The pump pressurizes the fuel lines & fuel rail to about 50 psi (345 kPa). If you can hear the pump 'whirr' in the back when you first go to the 'run' position, the pump is probably OK.

Are you sure the car has gas in it? (Don't laugh). The tank design is a 'saddle' style. It has a right & left side. The exhaust & propeller shaft (AWD) pass under the middle. Fuel is supposed to siphon from the right side to the left side as needed to keep the halves fairly equal.
There are fuel level senders on both sides. The BCM averages these 2 amounts and displays the result on the fuel gauge.
If it no longer siphons, your gauge can tell you that you have gas in the one side while the pump-side is sucking air. Try adding some fuel?

All of the injectors have 12 volts on one side when the ignition is turned on. The PCM fires each injector when needed for a spritz of fuel to that cylinder on the intake stroke. If the PCM doesn't provide a ground. The injectors can stay closed & the result is no-gas. You can have a good pump & good pressure, but the closed injectors means that there is no fuel getting into engine. Is the anti-theft security system active? It should be a red dot in the instrument cluster.

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