[71cuda2]

Hi, I took my daughter's 2015 200C to the dealer for some A/C work.

This is an insurance auction car...great value $2900.00 plus fees...
It got hit in the front, high...bought a same color front clip from a
salvage yard in El Paso...

Last Monday, after getting everything but the A/C recharged...
took it in and it passed inspection and it is now on the road.

It has 'zero' problems so far...


Anyway...
the dealer recharged the system...but for some reason the A/C will
not turn on...the TECH thinks it must be a blown fuze, bad relay,
bad A/C switch or an open in the wiring circuit somewhere...
so if anyone has any ideas about that...toss it in too...

BUT the real problem is now the car will not start...
the TECH also updated the PCM and TCM...both were open recalls.

When my wife and i picked it up from the dealer...ran fine.

The TECH cleared all the stored codes...all that was left
was an ABS code... ORC B0003-14 Driver frontal squib 3 control - Circuit open....

I knew about it...that is what my computer also said...not a surprise...
it was hit high in the front...i have to look at the wires for damage/or
get a new sensor...

But after we shut off the car...it won't start...just cranks and cranks...
it was showing an error code in the middle of the dash of...

ENGINE WARMING - PLEASE WAIT TO START

When this message is on the dash...it will crank fine, but not start...
if you wait 10-15 minutes later with the key off...THEN it starts, sometimes...

BUT it will not idle...give it gas to keep it running...BUT it will eventually stall out...
more then 1/4 of a tank of gas...put more in it and still the same.

I can not find anything that DIRECTLY talks about this...
I did not have ANY problems other than Service ABS message and no A/C for more
than a week...until now.

OH...and now there are 12 codes last time i checked...nothing other than mis-fires
and fuel injector and such...nothing that talks about temp...or anything that jumps
out and points me in any directions...thinking about changing the temp sensor
tomorrow and see if that helps...or if anything changes overnight...

Any thoughts anyone??

thanks
Ken

 

[Nathangwyn]

Good luck man, you may get a slow reply, but I'll try and keep this post alive so you can't get an answer from someone whom can help.

 

[71cuda2]

Hey everyone...

Well...I think I solved the engine no start...

It must have been associated with low oil. It appeared to be a oil pan leak,
I took off the pan and put a foam sealer on for the pan gasket...BUT
it was weird. It would not start right away after I put the oil pan back on...
I let the gasket dry about 6 hours and tried it...no start.

I was not happy...so cranked it and cranked it...not firing at all. So I left it
thinking I was going to have to tow it to the dealer...BUT it started right up
the next morning and hasn't offered anything as to why. But it starts right up
now and runs good...drives well.

BUT still no A/C...I have been looking at it all evening...still nothing.
I changed out the ambient air sensor...
I ohmed out the ambient air wires to the harness plug...
I tested the A/C turn on button to the 10 amp fuse in the underhood box...
I tested the magnetic clutch on the compressor, it cycled as expected...
I changed out the A/C pressure switch with the other 2015 200S, A/C works in that car...
I checked the A/C fuse...again...

still nothing...

Does anyone know what the 2nd electrical connection on the A/C compressor is named/for??
The one away from the pulley...I have no idea what it is.

Thanks...

 

[71cuda2]

Well...i guess it was just wishful thinking that the 'no start' problem was a simple oil level/leak problem.

After several days of driving, it stalled on my daughter last night.
Brought extra oil on my way to pick her up with jeep/car dolly...

The oil was not low...but it wouldn't start or even fire at all...
towed it home and this morning it fired right off, drove it off the
tow dolly and parked it near the garage...and now it will not fire
or start again...

WHAT is wrong with this car???

No codes, full oil, no idea...

I changed the Crankshaft sensor...
still nothing...

 

[71cuda2]

OH...has anyone tested fuel pressure on one of these 2.4l's??

Where is the valve to do that??

 

[gokart2]

Ouch. I had a no start one morning. Absolutely no power from anything on the car. Then about two hours later, started right up. Got a can communication code, but no issues since.

Being you seem old school/car intelligent, fuel or ignition, crank (possibly cam) sensor is where I would go. There seems to not be any PID to measure fuel pressure that I've found yet. And everything fuel related on my car is plastic. Only thing I can think of is to find a used rail connector, an hack a gauge on it, then connect it to the line. My setup might be different since it's a v6.

If you have a scanner, there is a fuel flow PID?

 

[71cuda2]

unfortunately no fuel flow info in real time on my scanner...i just checked that out a little bit ago...

 

[gokart2]

Pull the connection at the rail and cycle the ignition on? Should make a little mess but then you can tell?

 

[gokart2]

Also, you can pull the plugs, then turn it over. If it's fueling, it'll blow out the plug holes on the compression stroke.

 

[ebbytime22]

I am having the same issue when its cold. Last year I took it to Chrysler and the replaced the cell in the battery which worked great until it starting snowing yesterday. Now my car is doing the same thing. It will not crank but it will start. My husband tried to jump it however, it would not jump. This is crazy I have a 2015 it should not be having these types if issues. IF you have found a solution please let me know before I spend money on taking it in for service.Thank you

 

[fltru103]

I am having the same issue when its cold. Last year I took it to Chrysler and the replaced the cell in the battery which worked great until it starting snowing yesterday. Now my car is doing the same thing. It will not crank but it will start. My husband tried to jump it however, it would not jump. This is crazy I have a 2015 it should not be having these types if issues. IF you have found a solution please let me know before I spend money on taking it in for service.Thank you

Rather confusing post.
"Replaced the cell in the battery" ...
"It will not crank but it will start" ...
"It would not jump" ...

All confusing to me.

Battery's are replaced as a unit, not individual cells.
The starter motor cranks, which spins the engine, resulting in a start.
Jumping the electrical system, using a charged battery from another vehicle, provides the power for the starter to spin the engine.

Sorry, but you need to clarify these questions before anybody could render an answer.

But an opinion ( just an opinion ) you need a new battery.

 

[JoeLasVegas]

If it has a hard time starting or won't at all, get a new battery, DIY.

It can't start without cranking, do you mean that it shows like everything is working (radio...) and won't start? If that's the case, you need a new battery for sure, that's what mine was doing when the battery went dead, it still had enough juice to run the radio..., but not enough power to crank the engine.

 

[JoeLasVegas]

Link HERE , After years of dealing with car repairs..., I found that Autozone is the best for good batteries at a good price with long warranties, check it out. If you have the V6.

 

[Paul_N]

That Duralast battery is the same one I put in my car when my OEM battery died last year. Good battery so far.

 

[Brymiclin]

Hi, I took my daughter's 2015 200C to the dealer for some A/C work.

This is an insurance auction car...great value $2900.00 plus fees...
It got hit in the front, high...bought a same color front clip from a
salvage yard in El Paso...

Last Monday, after getting everything but the A/C recharged...
took it in and it passed inspection and it is now on the road.

It has 'zero' problems so far...


Anyway...
the dealer recharged the system...but for some reason the A/C will
not turn on...the TECH thinks it must be a blown fuze, bad relay,
bad A/C switch or an open in the wiring circuit somewhere...
so if anyone has any ideas about that...toss it in too...

BUT the real problem is now the car will not start...
the TECH also updated the PCM and TCM...both were open recalls.

When my wife and i picked it up from the dealer...ran fine.

The TECH cleared all the stored codes...all that was left
was an ABS code... ORC B0003-14 Driver frontal squib 3 control - Circuit open....

I knew about it...that is what my computer also said...not a surprise...
it was hit high in the front...i have to look at the wires for damage/or
get a new sensor...

But after we shut off the car...it won't start...just cranks and cranks...
it was showing an error code in the middle of the dash of...

ENGINE WARMING - PLEASE WAIT TO START

When this message is on the dash...it will crank fine, but not start...
if you wait 10-15 minutes later with the key off...THEN it starts, sometimes...

BUT it will not idle...give it gas to keep it running...BUT it will eventually stall out...
more then 1/4 of a tank of gas...put more in it and still the same.

I can not find anything that DIRECTLY talks about this...
I did not have ANY problems other than Service ABS message and no A/C for more
than a week...until now.

OH...and now there are 12 codes last time i checked...nothing other than mis-fires
and fuel injector and such...nothing that talks about temp...or anything that jumps
out and points me in any directions...thinking about changing the temp sensor
tomorrow and see if that helps...or if anything changes overnight...

Any thoughts anyone??

thanks
Ken

Wondering if there has been any new ideas or something on the “engine warming wait to start “ , hoping someone has had to same issue. My 2015 200 is dead with new battery and u1540 code. Which is dead battery.

 

[Keven200s]

post a picture of the dash showing the message, im curious.

sounds very electrical IMO.
Maybe TIPM?

Maybe consider checking the app called "AlfaOBD" on the play store. it can read dealer level codes that normal OBD scanners can't.

you said she has a new battery.. what happens when you leave the car parked overnight and locked so the computers go into a 'deep sleep' mode. will it produce better results?

best of luck

 

[Teresa Cramer]

Wondering if there has been any new ideas or something on the “engine warming wait to start “ , hoping someone has had to same issue. My 2015 200 is dead with new battery and u1540 code. Which is dead battery.

Hello I'm having the same problem that you was. Dis you ever figure out what was wrong with your car?? Thank you

 

[Brymiclin]

Teresa,
We ended up getting the TCM flashed, it’s been good since. Battery checked good and all codes erased. What have you checked so far?

 

[Andy74]

What causes hard starting when engine is hot?

 

[Daves200s]

If you can check for codes stored with a OBDII scanner...look for the engine coolant temperature readings... If the sensor reads other than actual temperature the ECM will try to adjust the air/fuel mixture incorrectly...FCA (Chrysler) has had problems for years with bad temperature sensors...
Dave